Intervene in the Riots - planning room

Intervene in the Riots - planning room

Postby WesternConqueror » 12 Jul 2017, 13:08

Intervene in the Riots
Description: Attempt to protect the common citizens, attack the rioters, or protect government buildings. This option is restricted to those officers who either hold a Grade 1 rank or above, or who have been granted permission by Liu Shentong. It should go without saying that intervention carries the possibility of making the situation worse.
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To all friends who decide (wisely! :D) to participate in the Intervene in the Riots option of the 3rd Simzhou Crisis:
Welcome!!! Take a look at the main plot thread here. And join in our tactics discussions here.

The officers currently involved:
1. Jiang Yan
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2. Huyan Lie (approved)
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3. Dai Ren
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4. Li Jun (approved)
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5. Liu Shentong
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6. Cai Bin
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7. Jiang Meixiu
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8. Ju-long Bai (await Liu Shentong approval)
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I'll add you to this list once you post your interest in the 3rd Simzhou Crisis thread. Note however that your involvement is tentative and subject to Liu Shentong's approval if you do not yet hold a rank of Grade 1 and above. Please request approval on your own as needed, update your post with the result, and pm me (in case I do not notice).

The plot is now closed to new participants. Please head over to the main plot thread and the tactics discussion to find out more about the unfolding of this plot.
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby UnholyBlade » 12 Jul 2017, 13:25

Dai Ren wouldn't disagree to this plan under normal circumstances, but now that combat has begun he's not going to abide by what he sees as a long-winded ploy while his troops are fighting. He would order Huyan Lie to be watched by a guard, have another inform Li Jun that fighting has broken out so she is kept in the loop, and take command of his regiment by the road.
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Dai Ren brought the troops he was training in the KT with him to respond to the riot, 20(100). He had them arranged in a column of four blocks numbering 500 troops per block on the main thoroughfare. He had previously issued orders that the rioters were to be put down, but had belayed that order when the possibility of peace presented himself. One of his sub-commanders would have sent a runner to fetch him if Li Jun or Li Sheng did not have the opportunity to.

Upon a messenger reaching him, Dai Ren would order Huyan Lie to be watched and confined within the civil office until his or another officer's order. He would rush outside to take command unless another of the military officers had already done so. He would follow orders if that was the case.

If no one had taken charge, he would mount his horse and begin ordering his troops if it was feasible to do so. If not, ignore the horse. The front lines of his troops would organize into a spearwall facing the rush of rioters. Establish a killing front, and slowly begin making way through the streets. Dai Ren would order the back lines of his company to hold to secure a retreat if necessary. He would give signals to the archers, previously led by Jiang Yan and the ones set into position by Li Sheng, atop the civil office and other civilian buildings, who would have been resupplied with the army's appearance, to begin firing in coordinated volleys. The organized, slow moving front should be easy for the archers with the superior vantage point to avoid hitting errantly.

If the battle goes poorly and the mob gain the upper hand, Dai Ren would order a front-facing retreat. While his troops were slowly giving ground toward the civil office, he would send a messenger to Li Jun to request she charge the exposed flank of the mob.

The courtyard of the civil office, which I'm just assuming is there, is where wounded and casualties will fall back to. Once the rioters break, Dai Ren will see order a short, disciplined pursuit to encourage them to continue fleeing, then quickly reorganize and resupply his troops at the civil office.


Li Sheng was given "enough troops to ensure dispersal" from Dai Ren's 3rd squad. Given that his mission was stealthy, its safe to assume the number is small. He also included that some of his troops had secured hidden rooftop positions in advance, as well as many of his troops hiding in alley ways along the rioters intended path of approach.

Li Jun's troops are in the back of the building, which is opposite to Dai Ren's troops in the front. Being that the office is inside the city limits, I'm assuming it has streets that lead around its complex in the form of a square to ensure traffic is able to flow around it readily.
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby WesternConqueror » 12 Jul 2017, 14:02

Ok so Dai Ren decides to disregard Cai Bin's plot and go ahead quell the riot with force. Unfortunately if he does that, Cai Bin's plot falls on its butt before having started. :lol:

@Dao Lang the ranking officer in the room...what do you wanna do? Restrain Dai Ren maybe? :wink: Or support him?! :shock: :cry: You are after all a learned man inclined to peace right? :D
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby Dong Zhou » 12 Jul 2017, 14:18

Just becuase the army does it's own thing (or that caI Bin can't try to overide the soldiers detaining orders), doesn't mean you can't run with a version of those tactics

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Afraid not, once the plot has started it tends to be those involved/there before hand. If it lasts long enough, people might be allowed into it and we can try to summon help

Li Jun and her men (how many?) - in front of Civil Office


back of civil office. I would suggest sending a messenger to inform Li Jun what is going on as part of the tactics (as Unholy says)

Dai Ren's 2000 men


We probably need to ask Ebrum 1) what do we know of the attackers (numbers and so on, aka do we need to scout), 2) how many soldiers we do actually have for this (set out we had Jiang Yan depleted archers, Dai Ren's troops from training, Li Jun brought some as guard captain though I suspect less then Dai Ren given lack of KT rank or working with troops)

. Dai Ren [Pol 20, Fortunate] delegates 100 of his men to find 20 wagons; if not enough wagons, they will work with what they found.
4. Li Jun orders her unit to play funeral music.


Might be int for 3

4) She is not going to obey that. I see the plan your going for but she is in a "fight or evacuate" mindset, she won't seek to block the speeches but she isn't going to help or begin mourning ritual in mid battle

17. Mob trusts Cai Bin and disperses peacefully; Dai Ren and Li Jun continue controlled show of force by having 100 guards at the Square, 100 guards at each cluster of government buildings.


Put If mob trusts so and so forth
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby Dong Zhou » 12 Jul 2017, 14:53

My tactics would be something like (relies on Unholy Blade sending a messenger or else)

Stats: Li Jun 91*-59-69-29-59 Aid, Blitz, Charge, Leader, Scout, Vehemence

Position: Back of Civil Office

Equipment and Troops: Fully armed and armoured, horse, all statless, used position as guard captain to take troops to civil office

IC justification: Things turned violent, time for strong arm of the law and not speeches. Won't hold civil office at all costs and no eagerness to extend fight longer then she has to.

Tactics:

1) Waits for message telling her what is going on.

2) If receives messages, will order music to stop then enter building and seek out officers, urging them to leave and if sees unconscious Jiang Yan, will try to rouse him. Will detach guard escort (including soldiers to carry Jiang Yan) for any willing to leave. If some officers remain, will have guards left at rear of building in case they change their mind later

3) Returns to troops and if got Dai Ren's message+city layout allows (see 6 onwards if it does not), leads her troops to get into position to encircle or flank the enemy as situation allows. If we do not know the state of the rioters forces, will detach herself and a few men to lead scouting party (Scout) to gather information then return to her main force. If attacked as scouting force, retreats back to main force quickly

4) If attacked on march, uses Rush (Vehemence) attack to try to overwhelm rioters unless faces overwhelming odds in which case, retreats to civil office with men and act as per instruction 6.

5) If gets into position, will have music/drums play to try to panic the rioters and make them flee unless numbers are greatly against all the guards. If she gets signal from Dai Ren or sees that rioters have upper hand, will launch a Simultaneous Attack (Aid) on rioters. If rioters flee, does not pursue but tries to reform the soldiers and take them back to civil office. If clear the rioters are going to break through to civil office and have defeated the soldiers in front of the office or Li Jun's troops are on verge of defeat, will order a return to barracks with Li Jun taking command of the rearguard.

6) If terrain does not allow the encircle/flank plan or Dai Ren's message does not arrive, lead troops into civil office to funnel through to Dai Ren and follows his orders/tactics. Won't take part in any pursuit and if guards are clearly going to lose, will send messengers to any inside the civil office to flee and urge Dai Ren to begin as orderly a withdrawal as possible, that civil office should be abandoned.
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby UnholyBlade » 12 Jul 2017, 15:07

WesternConqueror wrote:Ok so Dai Ren decides to disregard Cai Bin's plot and go ahead quell the riot with force. Unfortunately if he does that, Cai Bin's plot falls on its butt before having started. :lol:

@Dao Lang the ranking officer in the room...what do you wanna do? Restrain Dai Ren maybe? :wink: Or support him?! :shock: :cry: You are after all a learned man inclined to peace right? :D


Aye. Sorry :P Now that the fighting has begun Dai Ren would go to where he would be most useful and effective. He's certainly within his rights to go back to his troops and take command, but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. Huyan Lie is more than welcome to call for his restraint if he feels justified or in the right, but I'm telling you as a heads up, DR would ignore protestation at this point in the event.

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Equipment - 20(100) troops trained by Dai Ren during Spring KT, outfitted for battle. Arrayed in a column of 4 blocks, each numbering 5(100) troops, lined in the street.
Personal Equipment - Sword and full armor. Statless Horse he rode in on.

IC Mindset - Time to end this. The quicker, the better. Lives are more important than anything else, but avoiding wanton destruction of the civil office is also a secondary objective.

1)Dai Ren left his soldiers with detailed instructions on where to find him and to fetch him if anything were to happen, ensuring a quick update to the developing situation.

2)Dai Ren orders a guardsman to stay with Huyan Lie, and returns to where his troops have positioned themselves against the rioters.

3)He would order his troops to assume a defensive formation, akin to a phalanx, allowing the rioters to close with his ranks of soldiers. At this point he would send Li Jun a messenger with his tactics and what he knew of the situation.

4)Commanding the resupplied remnants of Jiang Yan's archers, Dai Ren orders them to shoot coordinated volleys into the rioting crowd.

5a)If the engagement goes well for the army, Dai Ren would allow a short pursuit before calling his soldiers back to regroup and resupply.

5b)If the engagement goes poorly, Dai Ren will order his troops to begin falling back slowly to maintain their lines along the road. He would also send another messenger and request Li Jun to flank the crowd now that space is opening for her to make a maneuver.
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby Xu Yuan » 12 Jul 2017, 15:11

Technically, from an IC point of view it is the Deputy Prefect who has authority on the matter and it appears that Dao Lang agrees with Cai Bin's view of the situation. This might get rather ugly, as both of our plans run counter to the other. Should we continue to hammer out the details in further RP, or should we simply send competing sets of Tactics in? I can easily foresee that sending a divided set of Tactics will do more harm than good with possibly disastrous results, but if Dai Ren doesn't want to discuss the situation we really can't come to any concerted compromise.
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby UnholyBlade » 12 Jul 2017, 15:23

I haven't really formulated much of a reply other than protestation, which is why I haven't posted anything with the RP. I've also been trying to focus more on the tactics of the situation. In Dai Ren's mind, once we get through this day, then we can work on damage control
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby RCS » 12 Jul 2017, 15:25

WesternConqueror wrote:@Dao Lang the ranking officer in the room...what do you wanna do? Restrain Dai Ren maybe? :wink: Or support him?! :shock: :cry: You are after all a learned man inclined to peace right? :D


Dao Lang is generally a man of peace. But he's also a man of politics and, at least ostensibly, is actually a political opponent of Liu Shentong. He stands to gain much if Dai Ren, Shentong's right-hand man and proposed heir, causes mayhem and proves himself troublesome.
So don't expect an overriding Deputy Prefect to keep Shentong's favorites from failing and making the situation worse. Every thing that Dai Ren and Jiang Yan do wrong, at least as the people may perceive things, is something that should make Dao Lang's political faction look better. :twisted:

And aside from that, I've got 10 War so I'm not above talking crap behind from the scary guardsmen's back and not doing anything to his face. :lol:

My official tactics as stands will likely be along these lines:
Dao Lang takes what few sentries and aides he has and returns to the northern gate, which is to say the location furthest from the rioting, and 'holds the gate' to allow others to flee if necessary. If the rioters breach the walls and approach the gate, he will have them closed and barred on the outer side to trap the rioters within and then he will bravely leave the area and make his way toward the central courts and palace to his primary office to wait things out (bravely, of course).
If he gets caught up in the fighting, he is not above surrendering and claiming that he desires a peaceful solution and so will not personally fight the rioters (and totally not just because his sword blade doesn't actually have an edge to it and his armor is uselessly decoration).
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby WesternConqueror » 12 Jul 2017, 15:39

UnholyBlade wrote:Aye. Sorry :P Now that the fighting has begun Dai Ren would go to where he would be most useful and effective. He's certainly within his rights to go back to his troops and take command, but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. Huyan Lie is more than welcome to call for his restraint if he feels justified or in the right, but I'm telling you as a heads up, DR would ignore protestation at this point in the event.

It's no problem Dai Ren. No apologies needed. It's fun actually to see characters conflicting as would happen in reality.

Xu Yuan wrote:Technically, from an IC point of view it is the Deputy Prefect who has authority on the matter and it appears that Dao Lang agrees with Cai Bin's view of the situation. This might get rather ugly, as both of our plans run counter to the other. Should we continue to hammer out the details in further RP, or should we simply send competing sets of Tactics in? I can easily foresee that sending a divided set of Tactics will do more harm than good with possibly disastrous results, but if Dai Ren doesn't want to discuss the situation we really can't come to any concerted compromise.

Dao Lang verbally agrees with Cai Bin's tactics for a final attempt for a peaceful resolution, but it seems he doesn't want to assert his authority and command Dai Ren and everyone else to flow together. Which means his assent might be useless at this point given Dai Ren's propensity for violent methods now. EDIT: OK noted Dao Lang's plans and intentions in his post above.

I wrote these tactics assuming that everybody would be amenable to cooperate in the same course of action. But now that we know the 2 major military officers Li Jun and Dai Ren aren't going to cooperate, but will instead attack, indeed we might be better off sending our individual (or faction group) tactics via PM.

And I think Xu Yuan...our tactics will need a major change or be shelved completely. I do have some ideas for Huyan Lie's personal tactics though...
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby Xu Yuan » 12 Jul 2017, 15:45

By all means, send me what you have in mind. It is quite likely our plan will need changed significantly, if we don't have the assistance of the Military.
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby Dong Zhou » 12 Jul 2017, 15:57

Yeah go for separate tactics. If it works, Cai Bin and Huyan Lie get to be heroes (Dai Ren and Li Jun always backed it, we just misread the instructions), if it fails then you got your first plot writing in, learnt something and can blame all the impending problems on the army

I can see three or four headaches for Liu Shentong after this. So remember, prepare your blame game faces
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby UnholyBlade » 12 Jul 2017, 16:00

I'm all for committing bodies to schemes, Xu Yuan's schemes actually involve people still being alive for a change :lol: But the way I have DR set up this go-round is mainly Mr. Martial Man. I posted a reply just so he's actually involved in the conversation meow

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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby ShadInquis » 12 Jul 2017, 19:28

OK, almost caught up with what's going on. Li Sheng was given a small troop from Dai Ren (+ an even smaller number of his own men, mentionned in the RP), then left outside while the officers went to do their discussion. From IC purposes, he will do what he did in the riot earlier: scout, and skirmish the attackers to slow them down (he placed the contingent of archers on roofs in the earlier stage of the riot), and look for ringleaders to try to take out.

Troop size: not sure, Li Sheng's personal scout troop is less than 100 men + however many Dai Ren assigned to him. Maybe 200-300 in total (will go with 200 in the tactics for now), doubt any more, given that Li Sheng's Lea is not that good. But Li Sheng has a high War and Int, so he is good for small scale skirmish. He also has sleeve darts, which are given consideration for plots (and I assume for small-scale fighting)

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Troops: 1(100) Archers on the roofs of houses on the main street, 1 (100) Infantry on the side streets.

IC Justification: As per RP thread, Li Sheng believes the riot to be organised and therefore needing to be put down first and authority to be re-established before any more speeches. Cai Bin has had his turn and it failed. As for Huyan Lie, Li Sheng still considers him a possible instigator (and as far as the speech went, Li Sheng has reasons to think his suspicious have proven true) and as far as he knows Huyan Lie was arrested.

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1. Troops remain hidden in formation established earlier RP (archers on roofs, infantry on the ground hidden on the side streets). Relevant skills: Stealth.

2. When the crowd enters range for accurate fire, archers open fire, trying to hit those loudest among the crowd, followed by those with actual military gear (as opposed to improvised implements). Relevant skill: Scout

3. A few soldiers on the side street make themselves visible (shouting and throwing stones at the crowd) to draw some of the mob to the side streets. When the part of mob is drawn out, the hidden rest of the infantry attack. Li Sheng joins in personally to take out the most dangerous enemies. Relevant skills: Duelist, Weaponmaster(e)

4. Once the drawn out force is eliminated, repeat step 3 as long as enough infantry are alive.

5. If situation becomes too much and position cannot be held, fall back through the side streets and resort to hit and run attacks to keep the mob distracted.

Contingencies:
a. If the main force (led by Dai Ren) goes on the offensive, infantry will form up and launch a flanking attack from a side street, with the archers providing covering fire.

b. If the main force is retreating, retreat as per step 5.

c. Any reinforcements join the established attack pattern.

d. secret contingency (sent to Sir Ebrum)
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Re: Comfort the People and Quelling the Riot - planning room

Postby UnholyBlade » 12 Jul 2017, 22:13

I have sent my tactics to Sir Ebrum, for those who are interested, here they are! I will post again in the general RP soon, once I get home.

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Equipment - 18(100) troops trained by Dai Ren during Spring KT, outfitted for battle. Arrayed in a column of 4 blocks, both front squares numbering 5(100) troops, both back squares numbering 4(100), lined in the street. 2(100) troops were given to Li Sheng in an earlier RP from Dai Ren's unit.

Personal Equipment - Sword and full armor. Statless Horse he rode in on.

IC Mindset - Time to end this. The quicker, the better. Lives are more important than anything else, but avoiding wanton destruction of the civil office is also a secondary objective.

0)If Huyan Lie's plan of addressing the mob again somehow works, disregard all combat orders. Rally Dai Ren's troops to begin collecting bodies and other non-combat related duties expected of soldiers.

1)Dai Ren left his soldiers with detailed instructions on where to find him and to fetch him if anything were to happen, ensuring a quick update to the developing situation.

2)Dai Ren orders the remnants of those left inside to barricade the main entrance, and returns to where his troops have positioned themselves against the rioters.

3)He would order his troops to assume a defensive formation, akin to a phalanx, allowing the rioters to close with his ranks of soldiers. Dai Ren knows that Li Sheng is waiting with the troops he gave him in hidden positions, and he will hold his troops near where Li Sheng's troops will be most effective at harassing the riot's flanks. At this point he would send Li Jun a messenger with his tactics and what he knew of the situation. (4,5ab,6, etc)

4)Commanding the resupplied remnants of Jiang Yan's archers, Dai Ren orders them to shoot coordinated volleys into the rioting crowd until they begin retreating.

5a)If the engagement goes well for the army and the melee is won quickly, Dai Ren would allow a short pursuit before calling his soldiers back to regroup and resupply.

5b)If the engagement goes poorly, Dai Ren will order his troops to begin falling back slowly to maintain their lines along the road. He would also send another messenger and request Li Jun to flank the crowd now that space is opening for her to make a maneuver and use her Aid skill to launch a simultaneous attack on the crowd. If Aid is not applicable, Charge would be next tactic Dai Ren would recommend.

5b1)If Li Jun is obstructed by enemy combatants and is able to request aid, Dai Ren would order a detachment to break off from the main unit to reinforce her position if a clear path was available. The same goes for Li Sheng's unit if Dai Ren is able to determine if they are being overwhelmed.

5b2)If Li Jun is unable to proceed along the road due to debris, she would lead her cadre to join up with the main unit lead by Dai Ren, and once incorporated would use Charge ability to reengage with the crowd.

6)Dai Ren is aware of the ministers' fall-back plan, and he will not risk getting his company bottle necked and crushed against the office if the battle continues to go poorly. Should the need to abandon the complex arise he will organize a retreat after sending runners to the garrison ahead of his regiment. The remaining soldiers in the building would fall back and rally to Dao Long's exfil point once the main regiment had retreated, following his orders.

7)Blame Jiang Yan for current troubles. When he wakes up.
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