Simulated RTK

by **Tarrot** » 16 Feb 2009, 06:07

Dian Wei didn't make the stupidest political decision this side of petitioning the court that reading the Book of Filial Piety to Turbans would cause them to stand down (and relatively speaking the costliess), like Guan Yu did with his dealings with Wu, which had the long-term effects of destroying the Shu state. Even so, I gave Guan Yu 51 or something, and Dian Wei has 32, which is right above peasant level.

by **jiangbao** » 16 Feb 2009, 06:44

ok i was sort of basing on Dong assessment ...

by **Dong Zhou** » 16 Feb 2009, 08:23

Tend not to give 20's unless proven incompetent in that sphere

by **Tarrot** » 16 Feb 2009, 11:20

Noted people who have Flood:

Someone's Zhuge Liang (not sure who)

Cao Cao (most everyone, folded into terrain)

Chen Tai (mine, flood and rockslide, giving him terrain (e) and removing both skills)

Dong Zhuo (me and Tian; I'm switching that to Military Engineer for the creation of the dam)

Guan Yu (obviously, folded into terrain)

Guo Jia (me and Tian, giving him terrain in stead)

Lu Kang (mine, flood and rockslide, just axing because my rockslide was a stretch and he has terrain)

Lu Xun (joke skill from me for killing enough people to divert rivers)

Updating my list.

Cao Cao

Cao Pi

Cao Ren

Chen Gong

Chen Tai

Cheng Pu

Cheng Yu

Deng Ai

Deng Zhi

Dian Wei

Diao Chan

Dong Zhuo

Du Yu

Fa Zheng

Gan Ning

Gongsun Zan

Guan Yu

Guo Jia

Hao Zhao

Hua Xin

Huang Gai

Huang Zhong

Huangfu Song

Jia Xu

Jiang Wei

Li Ru

Liu Bei

Lu Kang

Lu Su

Lu Xun

Lü Bu (156)

Lü Meng

Ma Chao

Wen Chou

Xiahou Ba

Xiahou Dun

Xiahou Yuan

Xu Huang

Yan Liang

Yuan Shao

Zhao Yun

Zhang Fei

Zhang He

Zhang Hong

Zhang Jue

Zhang Liao

Zhang Rang

Zhang Zhao

Zhong Hui

Zhou Tai

Zhou Yu

Zhu Jun

Zhu Ran

Zhuge Liang

Cao Cao

Cao Pi

Cao Ren

Chen Gong

Chen Tai

Cheng Pu

Cheng Yu

Deng Ai

Deng Zhi

Dian Wei

Diao Chan

Dong Zhuo

Du Yu

Fa Zheng

Gan Ning

Gongsun Zan

Guan Yu

Guo Jia

Hao Zhao

Hua Xin

Huang Gai

Huang Zhong

Huangfu Song

Jia Xu

Jiang Wei

Li Ru

Liu Bei

Lu Kang

Lu Su

Lu Xun

Lü Bu

Lü Meng

Ma Chao

Wen Chou

Xiahou Ba

Xiahou Dun

Xiahou Yuan

Xu Huang

Yan Liang

Yuan Shao

Yuan Shu

Zhao Yun

Zhang Fei

Zhang He

Zhang Hong

Zhang Jue

Zhang Liao

Zhang Rang

Zhang Zhao

Zhong Hui

Zhou Tai

Zhou Yu

Zhu Jun

Zhu Ran

Zhuge Liang

Everyone else I did last sim, so I'll post my lists again when I finish them up.

by **Tarrot** » 20 Feb 2009, 11:22

Yang Hu (190) 79-56-83-78-73 | Skills: Acumen (300), Administration (250), Aid (250), Armoursmith (250), Articulate (325), Charming (400), Cunning (300), Farmer (500), Footsoldier (300), Investigator (500), Leader (350), Medic (100), Military Engineer (250), Navy (250), Networking (500), Rally (250), Study (250), Tactician (400), Terrain (250) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Acumen (civil service up to his assignment in Jing), Administration (running Jing), Architect (SGZ, built cities), Articulate (poetry), Charming (raport, popularity with the people), Civil Engineer (building schools), Craftsman (making armor), Cunning (forsight), Farmer (e) (100 days of supplies into 10 years), Navy (training troops for a naval battle), Networking (Du Yu, an established family, many others), Leader (head of all of Jing's operations), Propaganda (petitions), Raid (SGZ, raiding Wu), Terrain (reasons for attacking Wu), Scribe (noted that his works were wide-read).

Stats:

Lead: Fine where it is, couldn't help Bu Chan (though I'm not sure who could), but maintained his positions on the borders well.

War: Fine, general, did physically exert himself at times.

Int: He had a couple good plans and forsight, but nothing 80s worthy. I'd drop it to the mid to high 70s.

Pol: Politically astute, highly trusted by the emperor, noted for his civil work and keeping Jing pacified. I'd go low to mid 80s here.

Cha: Loved by the people, the border people of Wu mourned his death, again low to mid 80s.

Personality: Good, very humble and wouldn't permit a bad action under his care, and saw the rulers he worked under as just.

Revised: Split up among so many disciplines, not necessary.

Yang Hu (190) 79-56-75-83-84 | Skills: Acumen, Administration, Architect, Articulate, Charming, Civil Engineer, Craftsman, Cunning, Farmer (e), Navy, Networking, Leader, Propaganda, Raid, Terrain, Scribe | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Yu Jin (159) 85-86-61-45-68 | Skills: Aid (350), Ambush (250), Archer (350), Arson (150), Duelist (250), Footsoldier (400), Heavy Cavalry (400), Investigator (400), Leader (500), Logistics (250), Military Engineer (250), Navy (250), Rally (600), Scout (100), Tactician (100), Valour (100) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Aid (with generals in the Yuan Shao campaign), Ambush (use of), Arrowstorm (expert archer skill, killing Li Kan aiming for Ma Chao), Charge (noted for cavalry use), Duelist (duels in the novel), Investigator (killing Xiahou Dun's men to pacify the people), Leader (career general), Logistics (transporting supplies to Zhang Liao), Loyalty (his men were noted for retreating orderly), Military Engineer (building a camp to fight Zhang Xiu), Navy (in charge of a naval camp), Rally (rallied his men in the SGZ)

Stats:

Lead: A lot of success across his career with Cao Cao tainted by his loss to Guan Yu, lead's fine.

War: Dueled a few people and held his own, he's fine.

Int: A couple I'm not dumb plans, but nothing of note, its fine.

Pol: Never was in civil service but did maintain order and acted rightly, 40s is fine.

Cha: Never really noted as being popular, got horribly mocked by Cao Pi at his worst for not fighting to the death against Guan Yu, high 60s works.

Personality: The novel makes him out to be evil (killing Liu Zong and his mother, his ego at Fan), but that is all novel propaganda and he's not fully evil so much as following orders and being a git. I'm going neutral since his one evil action was a following orders fabrication.

Revised: Not necessary

Yu Jin (159) 85-86-61-45-68 | Skills: Aid, Ambush, Arrowstorm, Charge, Duelist , Investigator, Leader, Logistics, Loyalty, Military Engineer, Navy , Rally | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Yue Jin (159) 76-82-58-52-72 | Skills: Aid (350), Ambush (250), Archer (250), Arson (250), Bowman (250), Duelist (350), Footsoldier (500), Investigator (250), Leader (500), Networking (150), Siegecraft (400), Stealth (100), Valour (150) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Aid (working with other generals), Ambush (use of), Arson (fires sent), Duelist (use of), Investigator (pacification of barbarians), Leader (career), Missile (killing Cheng Lian), Trap (leading Sun Quan into an ambush), Siegecraft (against Yuan Tan), Valour (getting shot in the face and living), Volley (killing Guo Tu with a large barrage of arrows)

Lead: Career general who doesn't have as many big time victories, and was mostly a secondary general throughout his career. 70's is fine.

War: Dueled Ling Tong for a while, 82's fine.

Int: Some use, not stupid, 58's fine.

Pol: Not stupid, helped lure Sun Quan in, low 50s is fine.

Cha: Recruited men, nothing really against him, low 70s is fine.

Personality: Nothing substantial, neutral.

Revised: Not necessary

Yue Jin (159) 76-82-58-52-72 | Skills: Aid, Ambush, Arson, Duelist, Investigator, Leader, Missile, Trap, Siegecraft, Valour, Volley | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Note: Probably will edit the Xun's in here later tonight.

by **Tarrot** » 21 Feb 2009, 08:13

Xun You (157) 63-42-96-78-82 | Skills: Aid (250), Cunning (350), Leader (100), Logistics (350), Military Engineer (250), Reversal (250), Rumour (300), Scout (100), Siegecraft (150), Tactician (700), Terrain (250), Trap (300), Wile (400) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Acumen (director of the secretariat under Wei), Cunning (plans), Military Engineer (suggestions of a mud wall), Tactician (e) (career tactician), Reversal (seeing through many plans), Rumor (rumor of Cao Cao's attack against Yuan Shao), Terrain (flood advice), Trap (recognition of Cao Cao's plans against Wen Chou), Wall (role as a camp guard), Wile (advising taking advantage of discord of the Yuans)

Stats:

Lead; Defended a camp, no major military records, it's fine.

War: Lived a wile, 42's fine.

Int: Incredibly succcessful strategist, no DEM plans though, just accurate, 96 to keep him off that top level.

Pol: High ranking official, nothing noted about him, 70s is fine.

Cha: Respected and listened to by Cao Cao, didn't really get killed for opposing Cao Cao being a Duke, 80s is fine.

Personality: Not sure if the novel opposing of a duke is enough to warrant Good, I'll go neutral.

Revised: Not necessary

Xun You (157) 63-42-96-78-82 | Skills: Acumen, Cunning, Military Engineer, Tactician (e), Reversal, Rumor, Terrain, Trap, Wall, Wile | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Xun Yu (163) 72-34-92-96-88 | Skills: Acumen (800), Administration (500), Charming (300), Cunning (250), Farmer (250), Leader (250), Networking (800), Reversal (250), Rumour (300), Siegecraft (300), Spy (150), Tactician (600), Terrain (350) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Acumen (e) (head of the capital while Cao Cao campaigned, Cao Cao's chief political adviser), Administration (e) (see Acumen), Charming (noted for being so), Cunning (plans), Farmer (advice in a time of famine), Networking (e) (seriously considered Enchanter because I think he recruited as many, if not more, top flight generals to Wei as Liu Bei did in his career), Reversal (recognizing the raid coming against Cao Cao), Rumour (speaking badly of Yuan Shao's men to Kong Rong), Siegecraft (defense against Lu Bu), Spy (use of), Tactician (plans), Terrain (recognizing terrain advantages for Cao Cao)

Stats:

Lead: He defended a city against Lu Bu with Cheng Yu and Cao Ren and co., 72 works.

War: Said to be sickly by Mi Heng, 34 works.

Int: Not nearly the tactician of some, great deal of foresight, deserves to stay low 90s.

Pol: In charge of the capital while Cao Cao campaigned, handled much of Wei's administration. With his ability to find men of renown, I think that's top elite levels, I'll move him up to 98.

Cha: Lot of people he recruited, but he also upset Cao Cao, so I'll leave it off the 90s.

Personality: Good. Left when Dong Zhuo took power, was willing to die when Cao Cao decided to become a Duke.

Revised: Not necessary.

Xun Yu (163) 72-34-92-98-88 | Skills: Acumen (e), Administration (e), Charming, Cunning, Farmer, Networking (e), Reversal, Rumour, Siegecraft, Spy, Tactician, Terrain | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Xu Chu (170) 70-98-58-45-73 | Skills: Acumen (100), Aid (500), Ambush (100), Duelist (800), Farmer (150), Footsoldier (500), Heavy Cavalry (150), Heavy Infantry (250), Investigator (150), Leader (300), Light Cavalry (100), Logistics (100), Military Engineer (250), Rally (100), Scout (100), Siegecraft (250), Trap (100), Valour (400) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Aid (e) (a lot of help of Cao Cao), Blitz (elite tiger warriors under his command), Duelist (e) (he's Xu Chu), Investigator (a few instances of arresting people), Military Engineer (built his own ramparts), Scout (scouting on the Zhang Lu campaign), Trap (leading Yuan Shao into an ambush), Valour (arrow shots to the back and still moving)

Stats:

Lead: Historical command under Cao Cao, its fine.

War: Dueled Lu Bu, it's fine

Int: Not stupid some bits of intelligence, fine.

Pol: Loyal to Cao Cao, followed the laws, fine.

Cha: Popular and intimidating, that's fine.

Personality: Neutral, loyal to Cao Cao

Revised: Not necessary.

Xu Chu (170) 70-98-58-45-73 | Skills: Aid (e), Blitz, Duelist (e), Investigator, Military Engineer, Scout , Trap, Valour | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Xu Shu (175) 50-65-75-65-84 | Skills: Aid (100), Ambush (250), Formation (300), Networking (100), Rumour (200), Tactician (250) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Acumen (historical head of the censorate), Formation (knowledge of Cao Ren's formation), Networking (friends), Scout (seeing through the formation), Reversal (e) (seeing through many ploys), Rumour (getting out of dodge in Wei), Tactician (what he did)

Stats:

Lead: Never really lead troops in the novel or history, it's fine.

War: Swashbuckling past, it's fine.

Int: Could use a boost for how well over he's put, but he did need help from Pang Tong to leave Wei, so low 80s.

Pol: Head of the censorate, 70s is fine.

Cha: Charming, 80s works.

Personality: Good, because he has to be coerced against his will to join Cao Cao, and never actually did anything for him. On a personal note: I think personalities would be better if Good and Evil had "Will join an Evil/Good lord under special circumstances" clauses, although we're too late in the ballgame for that, I'd still go good since he really didn't serve Cao Cao in the novel.

Xu Shu (175) 50-65-83-75-84 | Skills: Acumen, Formation, Networking, Scout, Reversal (e), Rumour, Tactician | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Wei Yan (175) 82-89-69-48-62 | Skills: Administration (100), Aid (300), Ambush (500), Archer (200), Arson (100), Duelist (400), Footsoldier (500), Jeer (350), Leader (550), Light Cavalry (250), Logistics (100), Scout (350), Siegecraft (150), Spearman (250), Stealth (500), Trap (500), Weaponmaster (150) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Administration (governor of Han Zhong), Aid (career), Ambush (use of), Arrowstorm (wounding Cao Cao), Arson (burning down a bridge), Blitz (noted for using Spearmen vs. Cavalry), Charge (cavalry lead vs. the Ma's), Duelist (a few duels in his career), Jeer (yelling at people), Leader (career), Loyalty (SGZ, highly respected by his men), Scout (with Zhang Fei at Han Zhong), Stealth (sneaking into a city), Trap (e) (Wang Shuang, Wu Tugu, Sima Yi), Valour (surviving an arrow shot)

Stats:

Lead: Career general who works real well under Zhuge and is one of the best generals in Shu, but doesn't do enough on his own for me to go much higher.

War: Few duels, most notably Zhang He, 89's fine.

Int: A couple plans including his assault on Chang'An, I'll drop it a little to the mid 60s.

Pol: A governor, but made the choice to stupidly rebel, high 40s is fine.

Cha: Respected by his men, off-putting of others, fine in the low 60s.

Personality: Neutral. His penchant for betrayal is entirely orchestrated by Zhuge, and he never does anything that's really evil in the novel.

Revised: Not necessary

Wei Yan (175) 82-89-65-48-62 | Skills: Administration, Aid, Ambush, Arrowstorm, Arson, Blitz, Charge, Duelist, Jeer, Leader, Loyalty, Scout, Stealth, Trap (e), Valour | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Taishi Ci (166) 82-95-68-57-72 | Skills: Acumen (150), Administration (250), Aid (500), Archer (1000), Cunning (250), Duelist (350), Footsoldier (150), Investigator (250), Leader (350), Light Cavalry (150), Rider (250) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Acumen (historically a clerk), Administration (historically one), Aid (e) (helping people), Arrowstorm (e) (precision wounding of a soldier), Cunning (tricking an officer to tear up his message so he could deliver his lord's message first, the plan to escape the siege of Kong Rong), Duelist (dueling Sun Ce), Investigator (his role as an inspector with Liu Yao), Missile (e) (killing a soldier), Networking (recruiting Liu Yao's men to Sun Ce), Raid (attempted one of Zhang Liao), Stealth (sneaking into the city to see Kong Rong)

Stats:

Lead: Didn't really do that much novel or history. Low 70s as he was resourceful, but never a noted leader of men.

War: Fine for what he did, only really missing an epic duel against a top flight opponent.

Int: Times of cunning and intelligence, I'll raise it to the low 70s.

Pol: Low 60s for his ranks and his ability.

Cha: High 70s for everyone he recruited.

Personality: Did good things, but I don't see him as overly good. Neutral.

Revised: Not necessary.

Taishi Ci (166) 73-95-71-62-78 | Skills: Acumen, Administratio, Aid (e), Arrowstorm (e), Cunning, Duelist, Investigator, Missile (e), Networking, Raid, Stealth | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Note: Did 6 today because the next ones up are the Sun's which even with my notes will take a while.

by **Tarrot** » 02 Mar 2009, 13:04

Got caught up on LoEW, back to the actual East Wu guys.

Sun Quan (182) 77-71-82-95-91 | Skills: Acumen (300), Administration (800), Ambush (250), Archer (200), Architect (350), Articulate (150), Breeder (250), Charming (250), Commercialist (250), Cunning (100), Duelist (100), Farmer (500), Heavy Infantry (100), Jeer (350), Leader (500), Military Engineer (150), Navy (500), Networking (550), Rally (250), Rider (350), Rumour (150), Scout (250), Siegecraft (150), Tactician (250), Terrain (150), Valour (250) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sun Jian (151)

Skills: Acumen (political work), Administration (e) (running the entire state of Wu mostly flawlessly), Ambush (naval ambush of Cao Cao), Architect (creation of Jian Ye), Charming (noted in the novel), Farmer (e) (agricultural reform was a priority of his), Jeer (insults of Zhang Zhao), Leader (head of the final campaign to destroy Huang Zu), Military Engineer (building ramparts), Navy (use of), Networking (e) (numerous people joined when he joined up), Scout (scouting He Fei), Terrain (destroying levees to create floods so Wei couldn't invade), Valour (bravado)

Stats:

Lead: On defense, he was ok. On offense, he was bad. I think, factoring in that he was an ok commander at times, plus the times he had to be a leader while leading Wu and step up, 75 works for him to represent all facets.

War: Fought tigers, 71 is fine.

Int: Over-rated it last time. His strength was more in intelligent administrative decisions than strategy, he really shouldn't be over 80 for that. Mid to high 70s? Sure, not 80s.

Pol: Ran one of the more successful states, was the head of it and took a role, 95 works.

Cha: A tough one, because you have to take a look at what he could be, and what he was at times (in particular with Zhang Zhao and Lu Xun). I think, for all the friends he made, 91 works for him, but I could certainly see an argument for in the 80s.

Personality: Neutral, not really one way or the other in the novel.

Revised: Surprisingly not necessary as he doesn't have enough really politically or militarily to break the 20 cap.

Sun Quan (182) 75-71-77-95-91 | Skills: Acumen, Administration (e), Ambush , Architect, Charming, Farmer (e), Jeer, Leader, Military Engineer, Navy, Networking (e), Scout, Terrain, Valour | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sun Jian (151)

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Sun Jian (155) 89-92-72-68-75 | Skills: Acumen (150), Administration (250), Aid (350), Archer (300), Architect (250), Bowman (250), Cunning (250), Duelist (350), Footsoldier (350), Investigator (300), Jeer (250), Leader (500), Navy (250), Rally (500), Siegecraft (350), Valour (250) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Administration (governor), Architect (helping rebuild Luo Yang), Charge (charging to his death), Dash (charging to his death), Jeer (insulting Mr. Angry), Leader (career), Missile (shooting Chan Shang in the face; not giving him Arrowstorm for his arrows at Hua Xiong), Navy (naval assault on Huang Zu), Rally (noted for rallying his men), Siegecraft (leading his men over Turban walls), Valour (brvado), Volley (returning Huang Zu's arrows)

Stats: Lead is fine as while he has the most success of anyone against Dong Zhuo, he never really lead a campaign on his own. War, a few duels in the novel, multiple people killed, and while not a match for Hua Xiong, was ok on his own. Int, a few plans, nothing too exceptional, it's fine. Pol, an administrator and helped rebuild the capital, it's fine. Cha, could rally his men, calmed his Angriness, but not noted for being exceptionally popular, it's fine.

Personality: Neutral, nothing strikes me one way or the other.

Revised: Not necessary

Sun Jian (155) 89-92-72-68-75 | Skills: Administration, Architect, Charge, Dash, Jeer, Leader, Missile, Navy, Rally, Siegecraft, Valour, Volley | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Sun Shang Xiang (188) 68-65-72-65-84 | Skills: Charming (300), Heavy Infantry (250), Jeer (700), Riot (500), Spy (350), Valour (200) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sun Jian (155)

Skills: Aid (helping Liu Bei), Charming (popular), Jeer (e) (insulting anyone who got in her way), Leader (her maiden women), Riot (e) (a little much, but noted for how wild she was in Shu and that Zhao Yun had to babysit her, so to speak), Spy (her intent), Valour (wildness), Weaponmaster (numerous weapons)

Stats: Lead, led her women, no battlefield experience, she's fine. War, nothing really noted about her physical prowess outside the rumors, that's fine. Int, couple good plans but nothing exceptional, it's fine. Pol, again a couple things but nothing too exceptional, so I don't care enough to change it one way or another. Cha, popular, got people to stand down, 80s is fine.

Personality: Neutral, a handful to say the least.

Revised: Not necessary

Sun Shang Xiang (188) 68-65-72-65-84 | Skills: Aid, Charming, Jeer (e), Leader, Riot (e), Spy, Valour, Weaponmaster | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sun Jian (155)

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Sun Ce (175) 94-92-71-58-86 | Skills: Administration (250), Aid (250), Charming (250), Cunning (250), Duelist (500), Footsoldier (350), Heavy Cavalry (250), Heavy Infantry (250), Investigator (350), Jeer (250), Leader (500), Light Cavalry (250), Navy (350), Networking (350), Scout (100), Siegecraft (400), Spy (100), Trap (250), Valour (350) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sun Jian (155)

Skills: Administration (early running of Wu), Aid (battle stuff), Blitz (shock troops he lead), Charge (cavalry skill), Charming (could be), Cunning (plans after faking being shot in the leg), Duelist (not enough for (e), Jeer (killing someone with a shout), Leader (e) (his work in Wu, keeping his men trained and behaved), Navy (navy against his Angriness), Networking (brining people around him), Siegecraft (work in the south), Valour (being shot in the leg)

Stats: Lead, conquered the south lands quickly, even if mostly against scrubs, 94 works. War, his only duel of note was Taishi Ci, so he measures up against him, fine at 92. Int, a couple decent plans, 71 is fine. Pol, token pol for his administration of the southlands and running it. Cha, real popular with the people and brought a few people in, it's fine.

Personality: Neutral, fiery but Neutral.

Revised: Not necessary.

Sun Ce (175) 94-92-71-58-86 | Skills: Administration, Aid, Blitz, Charge, Charming, Cunning, Duelist, Jeer, Leader (e), Navy, Networking, Siegecraft, Valour | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sun Jian (155)

by **Zhao Ren** » 02 Mar 2009, 13:49

Didn't most of the notable Wu people join Sun Ce and not Sun Quan? I recall a post about that... Ah, here it is. I just find it kinda odd that Zhongmou has Networking (e) while Bofu has only normal Networking.

by **Tarrot** » 02 Mar 2009, 14:11

That was me just going off perception and not my own knowledge, admittedly. I was actually real tired writing these up, so I didn't look as much as I did. I still thought Quan attracted more people (and that many of the people under Ce joined cause of others). I can switch them around when I'm more coherent and take a more in depth look myself at who joined who.

by **357yangzhou** » 05 Mar 2009, 00:03

Didn't most of the notable Wu people join Sun Ce and not Sun Quan? I recall a post about that... Ah, here it is. I just find it kinda odd that Zhongmou has Networking (e) while Bofu has only normal Networking

[quote=Highonpawns]Lu Xun/Kang: Sun Quan (You prove me wrong!)[/quote]

Lu Xun (Three Kingdoms)
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For late Qing writer, see Lu Xun.
Lu Xun

Chancellor of Eastern Wu
Born 183
Died 245
Names
Simplified Chinese 陆逊
Traditional Chinese 陸遜
Pinyin Lù Xùn
Wade-Giles Lu Hsün
Courtesy name Boyan (伯言)
Other names Lu Yi (陸議)
This is a Chinese name; the family name is Lu (陸).
Lu Xun (183 – 245) was an officer of Eastern Wu during the Three Kingdoms era of China. He was instrumental in causing Guan Yu's downfall, but is most famous for defeating Liu Bei in the celebrated Battle of Yiling

Early life
Lu Xun was born into one of the four most prestigious and richest families in the Wu district (Zhu, Lu, Gu, Zhang). Lu Xun began his career as a minor official under Sun Ce who was then still a general and provincial warlord. Lu Xun was soon given a minor post as commandant and civil officer, where he distinguished himself as both a skilled civil leader, and as a military commander. As a military commander, he pacified south eastern tribes of Yue and brought them within the Chinese influence. As a civil official, he was successful in integrating northern refugees and minorities into the social and economic structure of Wu.

by **Dong Zhou** » 05 Mar 2009, 08:48

While he did serve during Ce's time, I would add this from the sgz

When Sun Quan (孫權) was made a general, Lu Xun was twenty-one years of age, and began his career by working in Sun Quan’s office.

and it is only during Quan's time that Lu Xun began his slow rise

by **Tarrot** » 07 Mar 2009, 14:32

Lu Kang (Lu Xun's father) came over after being defeated I think under Sun Ce's regime, and Lu Xun never officially joined until Sun Quan came to power. In any case, I'll give Ce Networking (e) since I forgot about the many who joined under him. You know, if I didn't get side-tracked by Legend of East Wu, I probably would've finished the heroes a few weeks ago. Eh, the Simas, then I got a bunch of quick ones to wrap it up tomorrow most likely.

Sima Yi (179) 78-56-98-90-86 | Skills: Administration (500), Aid (400), Ambush (550), Arson (260), Charming (350), Cunning (400), Duelist (100), Formation (250), Investigator (300), Jeer (300), Leader (270), Military Engineer (100), Networking (270), Riot (300), Rumour (400), Scout (700), Siegecraft (350), Spy (300), Tactician (700), Terrain (270), Wile (250) | Items: War Fan [melee] (War +1) | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sima Fang (149)

Skills: Acumen (political work early on), Administration (e) (running of Wei/Jin), Aid (helping others), Ambush (of Wei Yan), Architect (rebuilding Chencang), Cunning (e) (numerous plots), Dash (assault on Meng Da), Formation (against Zhuge), Investigator (uncovering leaks within his army), Jeer (of Zhuge), Leader (military success), Military Engineer (defensive plans against Shu), Rally (killing one of his own to rouse his men), Reversal (of Zhuge many times even if Zhuge Reverse-Reversed it), Riot (of Ma Su), Rumour (slander of Zhuge, Cao Zhi), Siegecraft (historical work in sieges), Spy (his ability to fake his illness, use of spies), Trap (of Bei Yan and Yang Zhou), Wile (plans to sew discord between Wu and Shu)

Stats:

Lead: One of the best leaders of Wei without question. Numerous campaign victories in history (ignoring his successes in holding off Zhuge Liang; wiping out Meng Da, Gongsun Yuan, defeating Zhuge Ke, lifting the siege of Fancheng), not to mention how he was able to consolidate and keep power in Wei post-Cao Shuang. I'll go 96 because he had some losses, but was one of the best leaders of the era.

War: Held his own vs. Wei Yan, 56 is fine.

Int: He never really did anything exceptional. He was smart, but his smartest move was a speed blitz on Meng Da, and most of his novel brilliance was just to show how stupid he was compared to Zhuge. I'm going 95 for no real pre-cognition or anything, and a lot of ok intelligence.

Pol: One of the top tier administrators of Wei, helped reform Wei after it got corrupt under Cao Shuang, a lot of early work, nothing at the top top tier so I'll leave him 96.

Cha: Not popular with his men, not popular in the capital, was friends with the top tier Caos though. Low 80s for him.

Personality: Evil by novel default.

Sima Yi (179) 96-56-95-96-82 | Skills: Acumen, Administration (e), Aid, Ambush, Architect, Cunning (e), Dash, Formation, Investigator, Jeer, Leader, Military Engineer, Rally, Reversal, Riot, Rumour, Siegecraft, Spy, Trap, Wile | Items: War Fan [melee] (War +1) | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sima Fang (149)

Revised:
Political: Acumen, Administration (e), Architect, Investigator
Military: Ambush (1), Cunning (e) (5), Dash (6), Formation (9), Leader (12), Reversal (13), Rumour (14), Siegecraft (16), Trap (17), Wile (20)

Sima Yi (179) 96-56-95-96-82 | Skills: Acumen, Administration (e), Ambush, Architect, Cunning (e), Dash, Formation, Investigator, Leader, Rally, Reversal, Rumour, Siegecraft, Trap, Wile | Items: War Fan [melee] (War +1) | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sima Fang (149)

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Sima Shi (207) 72-61-67-89-60 | Skills: Administration (600), Aid (150), Ambush (120), Duelist (100), Investigator (270), Jeer (150), Leader (400), Networking (100), Rally (270), Reversal (100), Rumour (400), Siegecraft (250), Spy (500), Study (250) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sima Yi (179)

Skills: Administration (e) (running the administration), Investigator (investigating Li Feng), Leader (maintaining loyalty of his men fighting Zhuge Ke), Rally (helping Sima Yi get better), Siegecraft (leading sieges), Tactician (for Sima Yi), Valour (leading an army with an eye injury)

Stats: Lead is fine as he had some success and some faults. War, he dueled Jiang Wei, that's fine. Int, he was smarter in the novel, I'll go mid 70s. Pol, nothing enough to get over 90, so fine at 89. Cha, not really popular at all, leave it as is.

Revised: Not necessary.

Sima Shi (207) 72-61-75-89-60 | Skills: Administration (e), Investigator, Leader, Rally Siegecraft, Tactician, Valour | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sima Yi (179)

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Sima Zhao (211) 74-40-81-79-68 | Skills: Administration (500), Aid (200), Ambush (350), Cunning (400), Investigator (200), Jeer (250), Leader (250), Networking (100), Reversal (250), Riot (300), Rumour (200), Scout (270), Siegecraft (150), Study (250), Trap (150) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sima Yi (179)

Skills: Aid (helping Guo Huai), Ambush (seeing through Zhuge's ambush), Cunning (plans), Leader (leading a successful campaign) Rally (see Shi), Reversal (seeing Zhong Hui's rebellion), Siegecraft (putting down Zhuge Dan), Tactician (helping his father)

Stats: High 70s for beating Zhuge Dan. War, could use a boost for helping his father as a guard. Int, it's ok. Pol, wasn't like his father or brother, it's fine. Cha, more popular, but not super popular, it's fine.

Revised: Not necessary

Sima Zhao (211) 74-40-81-79-68 | Skills: Aid, Ambush, Cunning, Leader, Rally, Reversal, Siegecraft, Tactician | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found | Father: Sima Yi (179)

Note: Open to suggestions especially on Yan/Zhao since I really don't know what to do with them.

by **Zhao Ren** » 07 Mar 2009, 16:57

You know, just to ask, are you going by the stat definitions here? Cause it doesn't seem like it in some cases. Like, you're saying "not outstanding", but giving them 60 or 70, which is actually notable. 40s and 50s are the supposedly unremarkable stats. Just seems like the GM NPCs have an extra ten or twenty to some of their stats than they should have. Most notably Charisma. Eh, oh well, at least we're getting close to the ending

by **Tarrot** » 08 Mar 2009, 03:29

In general, we both have our own systems we go by kinda. Usually 50 is a baseline, then the rest just goes from there. Admittedly, on the Sima kids, I really didn't know how to stat them and I was mostly not caring about how to do so, so I was kinda lazy doing them, but I had trouble statting them last game too.

by **Tarrot** » 08 Mar 2009, 13:10

Should be the last ones. Note: I will edit Ma Teng later if I can find his historical stuff, otherwise going off memory.

Ma Teng (146) 67-64-51-67-86 | Skills: Acumen (250), Aid (300), Jeer (150), Leader (350), Networking (200), Riot (100), Spy (300), Valour (170) | Items: Ma Dao Saber [melee] (War +1) | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Administration (governor), Aid (early help of the Dong Zhuo/Li Jue government), Breeder (cavalry skill), Craftsman (gathered wood as a youngin), Leader (various times), Trample (e) (skill for the cavalry he created), Spy (part of the Girdle Plot), Valour (bravery)

Stats: Lead probably low to mid 70s since he had successes and fought well against Han Sui. War, I'll go 70 because he was historically an intimidating presence. Int, got outsmarted more than a few times, so it's fine. Pol, lowering because I really don't know anything poltiically that he did, lowering it. Cha, he made his own force, but that's not mid 80s. I'll go mid 70s there.

Personality: Good guy in the novel.

Revised: Not necessary.

Ma Teng (146) 75-70-51-54-76 | Skills: Administration, Aid, Breeder, Craftsman, Leader, Trample (e), Spy, Valour| Items: Ma Dao Saber [melee] (War +1) | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Pang De (171) 88-94-69-51-50 | Skills: Aid (500), Ambush (250), Articulate (100), Duelist (200), Heavy Cavalry (250), Heavy Infantry (100), Jeer (250), Leader (350), Rally (250), Stealth (130), Valour (1000) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Aid (helping Ma Chao), Ambush (of Cao Hong), Arrowstorm (wounding blow on Guan Yu), Blitz (front line fighting), Cunning (novel plan to take Chang An), Duelist (e) (the best generals of Cao Cao, plus Guan Yu), Jeer (insults on Guan Yu), Leader (lead a lot of battles), Rally (trying to get his men to recover), Valour (e) (noted for it)

Stats: Lead, he didn't lead much by himself, and while definitely had valour, I'm not going to say high 80s, more low 80s for his command. War, beat an old Guan Yu through trickery, it's fine. Int, I gave him cunning, it's fine. Pol, fine. Cha, could use a boost since he was admired, mid to high 60s.

Personality: Loyal, but neutral.

Revised: Not necessary.

Pang De (171) 82-94-69-51-68 | Skills: Aid, Ambush, Arrowstorm, Blitz, Cunning, Duelist (e), Jeer, Leader, Rally, Valour (e) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Pang Tong (179) 60-36-94-77-65 | Skills: Administration (500), Ambush (150), Cunning (300), Networking (100), Reversal (150), Riot (150), Rumour (700), Siegecraft (100), Tactician (600), Trap (200), Wile (400), Zeal (800) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

Skills: Administration (when he wanted to be), Aid (as a general), Arson (recognition of it being Cao Cao's weakness), Cunning (plans), Leader (lead the Cheng Du campaign), Navy (chained ship plans), Networking (friends), Rumour (e) (helping get Xu Shu out of the fire; slandering Liu Zhang), Tactician (of Liu Bei), Wile (constantly trying to get Liu Bei and Liu Zhang to fight)

Stats: Lead, I'll say low 70s since he was having success against Liu Zhang before his death. War, fine. Int, nothing extremely brilliant, and even in the novel plays Zhuge's foil, so it's fine. Pol, down to 70 due to laziness. Cha, could go either way. In any case, even in the history, outside of his friends he wasn't too popular, so I'll drop it to 60 on the pretense that he had powerful friends.

Personality: Neutral, didn't really seem motivated by morality.

Revised: Not necessary.

Pang Tong (179) 72-36-94-70-60 | Skills: Administration, Aid, Arson, Cunning, Leader, Navy, Networking, Rumour (e), Tactician, Wile | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

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Pei Yuan Shao (169) 45-55-33-30-46 | Skills: Duelist (100), Jeer (200), Leader (150) | Items: | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

...really? Fine, as a hero, Jeer, Leader, Duelit, and a Pretty Pei Bow.

Pei Yuan Shao (169) 45-55-33-30-46 | Skills: Duelist, Jeer, Leader | Items: Pretty Pei Bow | Ranks: Free Officer | Location: Not Found

That should be everyone, I'll get them together tomorrow in office downtime maybe.

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