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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Sun Tang » 31 Oct 2012, 14:22

Well, if they are going to make more movies and they want to include any of the original cast, they better get on with that because those folks are getting really old. I would love to see Timothy Zahn's Admiral Thrawn trilogy, but i am going to make a prediction that Disney will try to include young people and retain the loyal fan base and focus on Jaina and Jacen Solo at the Jedi academy and what happens thereafter.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Calistoknight » 31 Oct 2012, 14:54

JohannXIV wrote:
The announcement that they'll be starting with episode 7 offers an interesting twist. Disney could pick and choose the best plot-lines and villains from the expanded universe (the Ssi Ruk, Admiral Thrawn, Dark Saber, New Jedi Academy, Clone Emperor) or just toss 15+ years of comics and novels in the trash heap and start from scratch.

Interestingly enough, Mark Hamil has said that Arkham City was the last time he was going to be reprising his roll as the (voice of) Joker. I wonder if he's looking forward to being the old, wizened Master now.


What little I've read on this is that they are apparently shooting for a 2015 release date and that it is supposed to take place decades after episode 6. How reliable is this info? No clue I doubt they have anything other than plans in the motion and probably don't have a script, cast, crew, etc. So I'm sure things might change.

But yea I had that conversation with my roommate that they have all those books and comics which are considered canon and I wonder if the movie is just going to take place during that time and supercede all those years of literary effort and story and become the new canon, if its going to draw more from those stories, or if it will take place outside of those stories.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Zhao Xiao » 20 Nov 2012, 19:06

Disney doesn't care about comics, books, blah blah - they're gonna try and reinvent Star Wars to make it 'Pirates of the Caribbean' friendly. It wouldn't surprise me if they just spat out the same story again. Probably star Logan Lerman as some cocky jedi knight who wants to free the galaxy from the Empire or something :|

I'm not saying they'll do a bad job, I mean they'll probably make a CGI star wars movie that'll be mostly alright; I just hope they don't get a douche to star in it.

What I want from a Star Wars movie:

- Awesome Space Battle that owns all others. 100x the ships, the explosions, and the CG. I want pilots flying out cockpits left, right and centre.
- Absolutely amazing alien worlds, I'm talking Pandora styled crap crossed with Coruscant with dashings of Mass Effect.
- Massive light-saber duel that rips apart a ship, planet, universe. Battling through a planet's core etc etc.

Anything else is just story crap that has nothing to do with what makes Star Wars: Star Wars. Slam down all the above with a good bit of dialogue and character progression and you've got a Win.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby JohannXIV » 30 Nov 2012, 02:05

Everyone that matters agrees that the Empire Strikes Back is the best of all Star Wars movies. It was in that film that characters exchanged the wittiest banter, the most interesting planets were explored, and the biggest plot bombs were dropped. It was also, coincidentally the movie which involved George Lucas the least.

Therefore, if Disney can combine the travelogue of a Bond movie, the dry banter of Modern Family, and the epic battles of current gen console gaming, I think we'll do just fine for eps 7-9.

Also, can we get Kevin Smith a cameo, y'know because.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Dong Zhou » 02 Dec 2012, 10:31

Not a huge Star Wars fan but I'm hoping Disney will do a good job as I would be sad to see the franchise sullied. I tend to like Disney's work so I'm not too worried

Thoughts on the Indiana Jones trilogy overall: Indiana Jones was before my time yet since I have become a gamer and forum visitor, I have become aware over the years of the iconic nature of the films and how it has influenced the media of films and video games that has given me such great joy. Part of the fun has been seeing certain famous scenes/moments or seeing things I recognise that films/games copied into their own work and which I had seen or played before. I was curious to finally see the three films that people loved so much and thought it would likely be fun.

Generally, I enjoyed myself. The romances were nice, the films had humour, the adventures were decent and decent characters, it was generally quite fun and nice. However if it wasn't for it being Indiana Jones, I doubt I would particularly remember this trilogy in a year or so. I found the writing could be frustrating with plot-holes, ideas unfinished and so on and perhaps I couldn't quite watch it with fresh eyes as people did in the 1980's. I watched it as a man of 2012 with all the influences since, two decades of media that have picked up where Jones left off. I might watch them again someday but probably not for a long time.

For my sister and I, the great "popcorn adventure" movies will be the Mummy franchise.

One film I want to give a fuller review then otherwise doing below

WALL-E

I remember the huge fuss about this film when it came out, the talk of its ecological message and the brilliance of such a silent film. I was expecting something serious, worthy and sad so it confounded me at every turn and by the end, I felt hopeful, my spirits were up. I greatly enjoyed myself once I had settled into it.

Animation was, as expected, a strong point with excellent use of colour, music was good but one or two songs were used expertly to add to the mood. Voice-work was very good though early on the robots were hard to hear, Fred Willard was good in his performance. What I admired was the ability to get such personality from the animated robots in the way they moved and reacted, personality displayed in just a few actions. The opening scenes didn't create much emotion for me, it was impressive but I've seen an empty world before, what was impressive is where they went from there. Slowly showing WALL-E's life and interests drew me in and there was a lot of poignancy as it went on, levelled out by hilarious physical comedy. It always balanced the serious moments with hilarity, always knowing when to be sweet/poignant/sad/romantic and when to even it up with a joke. It has a strong emotional pull thanks to it's well crafted characters and a feeling of hope/optimism that seems to run through the film, it seemed to believe the best of it's characters.

Overall: Impressive technically but also an amusing and emotional film.
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Films I have watched: The last two Indiana Jones films, three colours trilogy, a Harry Potter, family horror, action-comedy, Bond, St Trinian reboot sequel, South Korean horror.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade-6.5 Story doesn't explore it's own idea's properly but a nice, funny film that my sister and I enjoyed.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-5.5 Saw this after the St Trinan's film. Didn't see it as the abomination that I recall it being described as, more as alright but disappointing. Patchy, didn't warm easily to the characters, a villain that felt too silly and Ford seemed to have a bad performance. Sometimes there would be a passage with fun action, some nice verbal banter and a bit of humour, other times it was all just rather flat.


Three Colors: Blue/Trois Couleurs: Bleu/Trzy kolory. Niebieski-6.5 Uses it's ideas well, including the use of the colour blue, including some beautiful shots filled with the colour, and several good, gently absorbing, scenes but it doesn't mesh into one good whole. I struggled to care for most of the characters, who sometimes acted in a way that didn't quite seem human. Subtitles were done in a slightly offputting manner, one or two lovely pieces of music from flute player Jacek Ostaszewski.

Days of Heaven-6.0 Strong title sequence and a good ending but inbetween... artistically brilliant to watch, the cinematography is so beautiful, but a potentially strong story with potentially excellent characters and emotional power is unfortunately wasted. Cared more for one side character then the main four underdeveloped characters, despite good performances by the cast, at one point I was preferring to watch the animals rather then the humans.

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince-N/A Made me want to reread the books. I liked the way it concentrated on teenage relationships, between friends and teenage romances and the dialogue found plenty of room for comedy, suites me more then action. I did think the adventure stuff was good as well but was a bit hit and miss with the sad moments and the eccentrics (Luna was flat, Helena Bonham Carter fun).

Coraline-6.5/10 It is fun, nice and makes a pleasant way to while the afternoon, successfully altered to creepy when need be. Did have a few holes in the story

Three Colors: White/Trois Couleurs: Blanc/Trzy kolory. Biały-7.0 With white being less noticeable then blue (bar one excellent scene), it lacks the artistic flair or set of themes as the first film but improves on some of the technical stuff. The story is more cohesive, more human and is more absorbing as a consequence, as does more intresting character, but fails to explain motivations for two major actions. Just lacked a bit of emotional power to get a higher rating.

Grosse Pointe Blank-7.0 Everything, mostly, sets up for comedy and it works well, it is a constantly amusing film but showed ability be serious. Romance was lacking for me and not a fan of the action scenes.

Three Colors: Red/Trois Couleurs : Rouge/Trzy kolory. Czerwony-6.0 Competent with nice characters but goes in a slightly weird mystic direction which illsuits the trilogy and goes more for philosophy then human relations. Also found the opening hurt my eyes and ears, use of red was mixed quality for me, mixed feelings about the ending.

Quantum of Solace-N.A Never been a huge Bond fan, of the franchise I have tended to love some of the side characters (M, Q, Felix), the one-liners, the silly seductions/romances, the streak of flamboyancy/silliness, the villains but got very bored by the action. Casino Royale was an adjustment but a good film from what I recall, this one... it was decent enough but felt too dark for a Bond film and the romances were a big disappointment.

St Trinian's 2: The Legend of Fritton's Gold-6.0 Sarah Harding as an actress for the film was a big mistake I felt, she wasn't a good enough actress in comparison to the others and she became a distraction. Excellent use of the theme music but humour was patchy, however despite one bad patch, was still a fairly enjoyable film which tried to keep the spirit.

Hansel and Gretel-6.5. First hour is a decent horror with some lovely camera work, good special effects, a bit too much music. Fairly intresting story with good idea's well used, characters quickly established. Atmosphere could be patchy, did sometimes create a sense of unease. That part of the film was a 7.

Then it changes tone, throws in a superfluous story which takes a lot of time. Could still be haunting when it went horror but chose to explore the characters and their past, which was fine but the quality was patchy, some scenes really developed the characters whereas others helped make the film too long. Went down an uncomfortable and heavy route, which was well done but a surprise given the film's tone. However it all set up an excellent ending which was, just about, worth the dullness of some earlier scenes.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Dong Zhou » 10 Mar 2013, 16:32

Shoot 'Em Up-7.5. My sister loved it and bar a few patches in the first half, was a constantly funny spoof film.

The Crazies (2010) version-6.0 The first minute was excellent, contrasting scenery, lovely views and Cash's "We'll Meet Again" giving a haunting vibe. The rest of the film was competent but only intresting in half's.

Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008)-6.0. Special Effects are quite bad till the end credits. A very good teenage character, a humorous film, a slow starting but decent adventure and a barely done romance.

Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale-5.5 Flashes of humour but the Finnish horror only has one creepy, tension filled section thanks Peeter Jakobi's performance.

Fiddler on the Roof7.5-Some really enjoyable songs, good humour, relations that really fizz and lovely romances. Felt after two hours, it started to rely on characters and a relationship it hadn't built up as well as it did in the past and pulled punches a little with some of the sadder themes. Strong ending.

The Tempest (2010)6.5-Not one of the stronger Shakespeare adaptation I have seen of late. A nice but very erratic film with an awful film score.

Jumanji 6.5-Takes awhile to get going, could be funny, nice romance, decent adventure with moments of tension and one strong, well done, theme. Nice use of basic idea and lovely ending.

Robin Hood (2010) 6.0-Some things it did right like the court characters with a fiery romance, intresting internal politics, decently done lower level characters with nice romance, flashes of humour. Problems there were a plenty: Crowe's Robin was nothing more then a decent leading man, too many silly or needless plots or story threads, Robin being a Gary Stu, ridiculous last 45 minutes.

Attack The Block 6.5- Uses street language without it sounding fake is an achievement in itself. Enjoyed the conversations between the characters, monsters quite effective for awhile but then it is only able to generate tension sometimes.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Zhao Xiao » 25 Apr 2013, 10:09

Watched Rocky (original 70s one I'm talking about) at the weekend with girlfriend. Or rather I watched it and she played Layton. I guess maybe the film doens't appeal to women that much?

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You always hear how awesome Rocky was and how people take the piss out of it for being cheesy etc. I personally never watched the whole film (always random clips from those crap best 100 shows whatever).

It's a relatively short film and the fight takes place at the end, and that's only half an hour maybe less - yet I realized I had stayed interested right to the end. That's unusual for me watching films. Only a few films keep my interest from beginning to end (Indian Jones, Pirates 1, Star Trek 09). Its just crazy for me that a film made in the 70s could do that for a nineties/noughties kid who was bought up on speed-cut fight scenes and conflict/resolution/balance plot devices.

Another thing that amazed me was the characters. Its strange but I found the conversations; the reactions and responses, all so, well, 'realistic'. There's a scene when Rocky's friend wants him to ask his loan-shark boss for a job. Rocky keeps muttering yeah yeah and changing the subject, while his friend keeps reproaching it. I can imagine that really happening. That kind of scripting is masterful, which is all the more amazing because Stallone wrote it. People give the guy a lot of stick but Stallone has talent. Hollywood transformed him into a cartoon (not helped by fans) and that's jaded his rep but I understand now why he became A-list. Rocky was well written and the characters were believable.

On a side note, I can't help but feel for the character of Rocky. He lives alone in a little apartment, moonlighting as an enforcer for a loan shark, so he can afford to keep boxing at some dead-beat gym. Rocky doesn't like it, he doesn't want his friend involved, and he wants more. I was pretty much ambivalent about him until halfway through when Rocky showed how scared he was of the upcoming fight. But it wasn't blubbing or speeches, it was restrained and it suited the story. And in the end I was rooting for him.

Perhaps the best thing about this underdog story was that there was no absurd happy ending while Rocky beats the world champ. I mean, he's basically fighting 'Muhammad Ali' of course he's gonna lose. And by the end he's beaten and bloody and half dead, but he's proven he can last more than 3 rounds with the best. And that's all he wanted to do. Prove that he wasn't a loser.

Great film. I get why everyone loves it and I don't understand people taking the piss. Everything fit the context in my opinion. I'm not a Stallone fan or a sports fan but I liked the movie. The only downside was the the underused Carl Weathers and I felt the whole loanshark story was leading towards something that never fully got realised.

Solid 9 out of 10
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Dong Zhou » 04 May 2013, 11:32

Inkheart-5.0. Too many characters for it to handle, can't quite make the plot work and despite some decent characters, rather boring.

Tangled:-8.0. Nice but no memorable songs, fun characters, good villain and animal companions, lots of comedy. Really enjoyed myself, one of Disney's best in recent era.

How to Train Your Dragon-7.5. Delighted there will be a sequel, enjoyed the humour and the characters while story didn't always go way I expected. A delightful afternoon watch.

Dragonheart-N/A. Gave it half an hour, got bored.

Neverland (2011)-6.0. Some bad animation and a really annoying Peter (element of Gary Stu for two male characters) but the pirates, led by Anna Friel, were fun. Some nice nods to the Peter Pan tale but overall, pleasant but somewhat boring.

Alice in Wonderland (2010/Tim Burton)-6.5. Fun opening but struggled to get into it for awhile and a poor ending. Was nice once it got going when it was able to utilize a good lead and two fun Queens but some of the characters were just meh. Good animation.

Sorcerer's Apprentice-6.5. Badly made film in many many ways and Cage is off but nice humour, good villains and a likeable lead. Made for a flawed but pleasant and sometimes amusing film.

Planet 51 5.5. Nice animation, music, nods and references, liked the voicework but slow starter and runs out of steam near the end. Quite nice at it's best

Snow White: The Fairest of Them All 5.0. A hallmark TV film, could be funny and Miranda Richardson had fun as the villain, some good performances. Mostly a boring film however, particularly when the evil Queen isn't in the picture, dialogue flat and no spark, some performances were off.

Space Jam N/A. Only comes together near the end when Loonies can run free

Judge Dredd (1995 version) 5.5 Writing is poor with uninteresting characters and failure to exploit some potentially intresting idea's, pace is off. Most of the cast did alright but done far better elsewhere.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture-5.0. Some of the visual changes didn't work, could take hours just going "look how pretty I am" and didn't really get the group dynamic, that had been so important to the TV show, for most of film.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Dong Zhou » 02 Jun 2013, 14:44

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan-7.5 Far more like a Star Trek episode then the first film, good group dynamics and a fun adventure with a strong villain, good final battle and moving ending

Hot Shots! Part Deux-6.0 Humour was hit and miss for me but got stronger as the film went on

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock=5.5 Didn't click for me. Wasn't bad but just never felt like it got going

Coriolanus-6.5. Great cast with good performances, I like the way they incorporate into a modern setting though Rome is a little weird given it is clearly not Rome. Story is intresting but not absorbing, it lacks an emotional punch.

The Adventures of Baron Munchausen-7.0. One storyline didn't click for me but otherwise, it was a weird and entertaining adventure. I liked the themes running through it and had a very strong lead, had quite a bit of fun.

I'm All Right Jack-5.5 An intresting perspective of the time perhaps but as a film, it didn't click for me.
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Bradums » 08 Dec 2013, 00:00

Is anyone else disappointed that 47 Ronin was made from a historical fiction to a complete fantasy movie? I was really looking forward to the movie as based on the epic of the 47 Ronin, and now it's been fitted and made into a complete fantasy movie with almost nothing of the original account in it aside from some basic details (there's 47 ronin).
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Kongming999 » 12 Dec 2013, 00:58

Haven't seen the movie yet, but it seems cringe-worthy based solely on the fact that once again a disillusioned white loner guy somehow gets tangled in samurai affairs... cough cough last samurai
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Alfred » 12 Dec 2013, 01:32

Wait, I thought it the sequel to Last Samurai 0.0
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Bradums » 12 Dec 2013, 16:37

When I first found out about the movie, I checked the releases and description. It basically said it was a retelling of the 47 Ronin story (I can't recall the actual name off the top of my head), with Keanu Reeves as a stranded half-English soldier caught up in the plot. When I saw the actual trailer a little while back, it was a "wtf" moment. It went from historical fiction based on the title story, to a complete fiction with monsters and demons.

I get putting the white guy in there for the subconscious (relatable hero to the local majority, yadayada, its a real thing), but turning an epic tale of honor, loyalty, and sacrificial revenge into a cheap fantasy action movie is crap.

The Last Samurai almost did the same thing, but that was a good movie with some measure of philosophy and cultural learning in the period and zero...y'know, demons and magic. Compared to 47 Ronin, it was a straight documentary on the Boshin War :/
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby OneEyedDrgn » 14 Dec 2013, 00:19

I liked Last Samurai. :|
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Re: Movie Chat

Postby Kongming999 » 16 Dec 2013, 17:00

There's nothing wrong with Last Samurai, it's actually one of my favorite movies. It's just that it's such a huge historical inaccuracy.

Sure, there were a few Europeans that interacted extensively with the samurai (Jules Brunet of France even became one), but they almost exclusively supported the Meiji Restoration for economic and political reasons.

But hey, it's a great flick about brotherhood and honor with awesome battle scenes complete with katana-throwing Tom Cruises, so who gives a damn, right?
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